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	<title>Comments on: li bai: &quot;drinking alone in the moonlight&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: smoker</title>
		<link>http://bokane.org/2004/11/19/li-bai-drinking-alone-in-the-moonlight/comment-page-1/#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator>smoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Brendan.  I just found a version of this translation by Herbert A. Giles.

I love his translation.  Better than yours. hehe...yours is good too..

An arbour of flowers and a kettle of wine:
Alas! in the bowers no companion is mine.
Then the moon sheds her rays on my goblet and me,
And my shadow betrays we&#039;re a party of three!
Though the moon cannot swallow her share of the grog,
And my shadow must follow wherever I jog.
Yet eheir friendship I&#039;ll borrow and gaily carouse,
And laugh away sorrow while springtime allows.
See the moon-how she glances response to my song;
Seemy shadow - it dances so lightly along!
While sober Ifeel, you are both my good friends;
When drunken I reel, our companionship ends,
But we&#039;ll soon have a greeting without a goodbye,
At our next merry meeting away in the sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Brendan.  I just found a version of this translation by Herbert A. Giles.</p>
<p>I love his translation.  Better than yours. hehe&#8230;yours is good too..</p>
<p>An arbour of flowers and a kettle of wine:<br />
Alas! in the bowers no companion is mine.<br />
Then the moon sheds her rays on my goblet and me,<br />
And my shadow betrays we&#8217;re a party of three!<br />
Though the moon cannot swallow her share of the grog,<br />
And my shadow must follow wherever I jog.<br />
Yet eheir friendship I&#8217;ll borrow and gaily carouse,<br />
And laugh away sorrow while springtime allows.<br />
See the moon-how she glances response to my song;<br />
Seemy shadow &#8211; it dances so lightly along!<br />
While sober Ifeel, you are both my good friends;<br />
When drunken I reel, our companionship ends,<br />
But we&#8217;ll soon have a greeting without a goodbye,<br />
At our next merry meeting away in the sky.</p>
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		<title>By: smoker</title>
		<link>http://bokane.org/2004/11/19/li-bai-drinking-alone-in-the-moonlight/comment-page-1/#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>smoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>竟然有人翻译古诗为乐，好难啊！佩服。
anyway, it is a very good piece of work indeed.

同意他们他们的看法“行乐须及春”的意思是说及时行乐。不是等春天。无情游就是忘情、尽情游。

李白，清高狂放，宁与月亮、影子为伴，也不屑与庸俗为伍，我等不及也。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>竟然有人翻译古诗为乐，好难啊！佩服。<br />
anyway, it is a very good piece of work indeed.</p>
<p>同意他们他们的看法“行乐须及春”的意思是说及时行乐。不是等春天。无情游就是忘情、尽情游。</p>
<p>李白，清高狂放，宁与月亮、影子为伴，也不屑与庸俗为伍，我等不及也。</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad</title>
		<link>http://bokane.org/2004/11/19/li-bai-drinking-alone-in-the-moonlight/comment-page-1/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>Vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I approve.
我也觉得和月和影喝酒（便宜的酒）很有意思。李白喝酒以后很高兴了。可是，要是他不喝水，他睡觉以后不高兴了!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I approve.<br />
我也觉得和月和影喝酒（便宜的酒）很有意思。李白喝酒以后很高兴了。可是，要是他不喝水，他睡觉以后不高兴了!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally. My classical Chinese is basically a semester&#039;s worth of introduction, plus whatever I&#039;ve picked up along the way, plus whatever my 古代汉语常用字字典 tells me. For some texts (like Zhuangzi), that&#039;s enough to get by; for other stuff, I&#039;m really just faking it.

I&#039;m doing classical poems for a couple reasons. The first one is totally unglamorous; I&#039;m going over them with a native speaker, reading them aloud, and having my tones corrected. My tones are generally OK to begin with, in connected speech, but with classical Chinese, you really can&#039;t fake it, so this seemed a good way of doing it. At the same time, the poems are part of the (minimal) classical education that Chinese people used to get, and so I&#039;m trying to absorb it in hopes of someday being able to dash off a witty 七律 about the hostess&#039;s dress at some cocktail party, or wowing a Beijing cab driver with a verse, complete with line-endings that rhymed some time during the Eastern Han dynasty, about the sorry state of public transportation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally. My classical Chinese is basically a semester&#8217;s worth of introduction, plus whatever I&#8217;ve picked up along the way, plus whatever my 古代汉语常用字字典 tells me. For some texts (like Zhuangzi), that&#8217;s enough to get by; for other stuff, I&#8217;m really just faking it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m doing classical poems for a couple reasons. The first one is totally unglamorous; I&#8217;m going over them with a native speaker, reading them aloud, and having my tones corrected. My tones are generally OK to begin with, in connected speech, but with classical Chinese, you really can&#8217;t fake it, so this seemed a good way of doing it. At the same time, the poems are part of the (minimal) classical education that Chinese people used to get, and so I&#8217;m trying to absorb it in hopes of someday being able to dash off a witty 七律 about the hostess&#8217;s dress at some cocktail party, or wowing a Beijing cab driver with a verse, complete with line-endings that rhymed some time during the Eastern Han dynasty, about the sorry state of public transportation.</p>
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		<title>By: oli</title>
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		<dc:creator>oli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your doing these translations from an unannotated tangshi? that&#039;s impressive!  I guess it encourages you to be less lazy and absorb more the actual language of the poem, rather than just being given the answer.

Im really interested in classical chinese poetry, but never having (formally) studied classical chinese ive got a whole load of annotated books.  Everything i said was just copied out of them!  Anyway, all I need to do is memorise the annotations and it becomes &#039;knowledge&#039; - right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your doing these translations from an unannotated tangshi? that&#8217;s impressive!  I guess it encourages you to be less lazy and absorb more the actual language of the poem, rather than just being given the answer.</p>
<p>Im really interested in classical chinese poetry, but never having (formally) studied classical chinese ive got a whole load of annotated books.  Everything i said was just copied out of them!  Anyway, all I need to do is memorise the annotations and it becomes &#8216;knowledge&#8217; &#8211; right?</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this one.
I have finally started to dabble with writing Chinese. I fucked up, and publish the fully edited version, which whilst not perfect, is less fun for all involved. The process of criticizing and being criticized(corrected) is wherein the fun lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this one.<br />
I have finally started to dabble with writing Chinese. I fucked up, and publish the fully edited version, which whilst not perfect, is less fun for all involved. The process of criticizing and being criticized(corrected) is wherein the fun lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oli and Kun -

Aaaaaahhhh, crap. I&#039;d seen the line about springtime interpreted as the way I have it, but the reading od &quot;temporary&quot; makes more sense. I&#039;ll fix that when I move this to the (upcoming) new blog.

Also, right, 游 as 交游 makes much more sense. I&#039;d asked my tutor about this line and never got a satisfactory answer, and as the only 唐诗 collections I have are non-annotated, I totally fudged that. D&#039;oh d&#039;oh d&#039;oh. Thanks -- again, I&#039;ll emend that.

Thanks so much for the helpful comments -- I really, really appreciate them, as it&#039;s much more fun (to say nothing of useful) to be corrected than to be shouting into a vacuum, which is how I feel sometimes. Cheers - and do come back, as I&#039;ll be making this a daily thing, and really really honestly for-reals do intend to keep it up seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oli and Kun -</p>
<p>Aaaaaahhhh, crap. I&#8217;d seen the line about springtime interpreted as the way I have it, but the reading od &#8220;temporary&#8221; makes more sense. I&#8217;ll fix that when I move this to the (upcoming) new blog.</p>
<p>Also, right, 游 as 交游 makes much more sense. I&#8217;d asked my tutor about this line and never got a satisfactory answer, and as the only 唐诗 collections I have are non-annotated, I totally fudged that. D&#8217;oh d&#8217;oh d&#8217;oh. Thanks &#8212; again, I&#8217;ll emend that.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the helpful comments &#8212; I really, really appreciate them, as it&#8217;s much more fun (to say nothing of useful) to be corrected than to be shouting into a vacuum, which is how I feel sometimes. Cheers &#8211; and do come back, as I&#8217;ll be making this a daily thing, and really really honestly for-reals do intend to keep it up seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: oli</title>
		<link>http://bokane.org/2004/11/19/li-bai-drinking-alone-in-the-moonlight/comment-page-1/#comment-769</link>
		<dc:creator>oli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm according to 2 books of mine 及 in 行乐须及春means 趁着&#039;while&#039;.  &#039;One should make the most of the(this?) springtime&#039;.


&quot;Returning forever to our lonely travels&quot;
永结无情游
Apparently 无情 indicates 忘情，尽情, to one&#039;s heart&#039;s content.
And 游 isnt travel, but 交游 to make friends.
so.. &#039;Forever together to our heart&#039;s content friends&#039;?  Sounds like something from the top of a pencil case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm according to 2 books of mine 及 in 行乐须及春means 趁着&#8217;while&#8217;.  &#8216;One should make the most of the(this?) springtime&#8217;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Returning forever to our lonely travels&#8221;<br />
永结无情游<br />
Apparently 无情 indicates 忘情，尽情, to one&#8217;s heart&#8217;s content.<br />
And 游 isnt travel, but 交游 to make friends.<br />
so.. &#8216;Forever together to our heart&#8217;s content friends&#8217;?  Sounds like something from the top of a pencil case.</p>
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		<title>By: Kun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>我觉着&quot;行乐须及春&quot;是及时行乐的意思,可能诗是在春季写的. (我查了一下资料,证实我的猜测是对的.) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnr.cn/library/ydyxs/200302130417.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cnr.cn/library/ydyxs/200302130417.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>我觉着&#8221;行乐须及春&#8221;是及时行乐的意思,可能诗是在春季写的. (我查了一下资料,证实我的猜测是对的.) <a href="http://www.cnr.cn/library/ydyxs/200302130417.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnr.cn/library/ydyxs/200302130417.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Your stampeding audience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your stampeding audience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a lot of fun. Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a lot of fun. Keep it up!</p>
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